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‘alemannisch’. The nineteenth century saw much larger numbers of German speakers immigrate to the United States. They picked up Pfaltz speaking converts and probably gradually over time lost a lot of the Swiss German dialect. Like Paranormal Activity. Many even have variations on the same words. Thus the preservation of the Pennsylvania German language is important to the Amish. Dictionaries have been compiled and some books written in the dialect. are common expressions every Pittsburgher understands, but no one ever really uses in writing. It’s usually fronter/closer, especially in a pre-nasal environment. and H.G. Or is it an ad out of nowhere that got lucky enough to appear in the middle of your thread? This is very interesting, You are a very skilled blogger. Despite the lack of linguistic codification, PA/Dutch seems to be perfectly adequate for communication amongst the Amish, and so qualifies as a genuine language. The differences between P.G. Mark Louden, professor of linguistics, compares Yiddish with the Amish language of Pennsylvania Dutch. I speak 5 languages two of those being German and Dutch. He said that it really took him back to his childhood. When Epstein, a native of Chattanooga, Tenn., had first greeted the Amish … * I have to re study all the info .. Gisa..as my prev message stated..(this on just a few hours later) I am really excited to find this vol 2 – you say these are in Germany,.I am not sure how I would e-mail as there is no link or library name listed where this is; can you help me? There is also one called “Hiwwe wie Driwwe” which he is co-editor of, and which is in conjunction with scholars both here in the USA and in the Pfalz region of Germany! It was not my intention. 5-five languages that can be compared with Amish language ... which of them is closest? That being said, the German language is not what comes to mind when I hear the accents in the clip above. Qello Concerts Login Needed In-Library Use Only. Mark Louden was born in Minneapolis, Minnesota in 1962. Just a mid Feb. check in,.and this time I was sure to check the box! I respect them land all humans alike! I guess you cant expect much from a culture that wont go to school past the 8th grade. 5-3-2013. The Amish never really intended to communicate with the outside “world”, thus really had no need to learn High German (except as it pertains to the Bible.) (They speak Hutterish. Kinder müssen alle Deutsche wisse. The name Blank is also used in the Kanton of Berne without having any connection to the French Name Blanc! The German dialects closest to P.G. The Amish are great people and so are the Americans, the Germans and every other people. It’s kind of like singing a round, with motions.http://www.kididdles.com/lyrics/o113.htmlwords to the song in English, One Finger, One Thumb, -John Schmid singing in Pennsylvania Dutch, with Amish photos. This group adopted Yiddish, a language based on medieval German. Pennsylvania Dutch is the language used by the Amish population here in Lancaster County. You can learn to speak it! If they could agree on a lithography (there is a New Testament in a form of lithography based on English which is hard for someone who grew up with German to wade through–I’m living proof of that!) I afraid I don’t know anything about the Mennonite community in Paraguay, so I cannot comment on it. Elsasser-ditsch (Alemannisch)Es ist ein deutscher Dialekt wie viele Dialekten in Deutschland \ Ôsterreich \ Schweiz. * Fronting of GOAT (which isn’t too out of place in Pennsylvania) Rather, the Amish dialect of the language is a type of High German that would be entirely incomprehensible to someone from, say, Berlin. Americans or ‘outsiders’, such as myself. Have you considered writing as an avocation? They ought to put another translation by the side of it into modern English. Alsatian! Rather, it seems the Amish dialect of English is a unique variety that, while it exhibits some foreign influence, has a number of entirely innovative features. ... Banshee is an American drama television series set in a small town in Pennsylvania Amish country and features an enigmatic ex-con posing as a murdered sheriff who imposes his own brand of justice while also cooking up plans … I’m surprised at Danny’s info, while not doubting him. fantastic post. Bigoted remarks about other cultures from such people do not suprise me. It’s probably true that the dialect is comprehensible in some German-speaking areas of Central Europe (I’ve heard it rumored, by the by, that Yiddish is mutually intelligible with some varieties of Swiss German, but I don’t know enough to comment). 2010. Ive never heard of some of these. Rather, the Amish dialect of the language is a type of High German that would be entirely incomprehensible to someone from, say, Berlin. Check to be notified of comments on this post, Amish speak both English and Pennsylvania German or “Dutch”, Pennsylvania Dutch is not a written language. Here you have Wikipedia on 5- five languages:GermanEnglishAlemannianDutchNorwegianSo you can find out what a language similar to that of our Amish friends talking. Some of them them landed on the east of the Rhine and settled in the Alsace region of what is now France. Both courses run for ten weeks. In the 1990s, there wer… Germany is just like America when it comes to dialects. Yiddish was one of the two native tongues of Irving Berlin, who wrote the iconic anthem. *. The thing is though, even a “proper [æ]” (if the recording here can be taken to be a “proper [æ]”) doesn’t sound like my typical realization of TRAP. I know how it really is in Lancaster/Lebanon ctys. I thought this post would be interesting to my son, Mark. Song. To me the [æ] on that website sounds like what I thought [a] was supposed to sound like. Of course, the same can be said of many people’s attitude toward Yiddish, which is about 80% Middle German from the Rhein region (not far again from the area my people were from), with lots of Hebrew expressions and even some Slavic words thrown into the mix. “Anne” also agrees with my viewpoint on the language. I was 5 when my mom met my step father and he was stationed there. 2:27. Pennsylvania German is the language of the home. “Your great-grandfather was mean, so I hate you all now!” That’s just silly ignorance. Your analysis is correct. “Community Identity and Language Change in North American Anabaptist Communities”, Karen Johnson-Weiner. I think it’s entirely possible for the Amish of today not to be able to understand those 200 years from now for the same reason. RELIGIOUS IDENTITY AND LANGUAGE SHIFT AMONG AMISH-MENNONITES IN KISHACOQUILLAS VALLEY, PENNSYLVANIA A Dissertation in German by Joshua R. Brown 2011 Joshua R. Brown ... and a vernacular: archaic German and Pennsylvania Dutch, Hebrew and Yiddish respectively (Fishman 2001, 2002). Likewise “p” in front of another consonant becomes a “b” Prediger becomes Brediger . Documenting Pennsylvania Dutch Language and Culture in Early German-American Newspapers,” Newspapers and Transculturality: New Approaches to Working with Historical Newspapers, University of Heidelberg. nouns will easily distinguish between words of German origin vs. English origin. They basically spoke the same dialect of German as the Amish. Most of my friends speak a Rheinland dialect, but my teacher and one of my closest friends both speak Swaebisch. It is a Germanic language with a good amount of English mixed in. So I see it as just another entertainment show. The Amish are a neat people. I might add people from Southwest Germany seem to have little difficulty understanding our dialect and often say, “Ah! For example; I am a paramedic but I don’t go around telling people I’m a doctor. Thank you for clarifying the “Dutch” (Deuch) (deuchland) meaning German & not Dutch/swiss/netherlands. There is a substantial literature and written forms abound! A lot has changed since then. It is not right and I do it condone it. My Palatinate ancestors were from Eich and Sinzenich, Germany. There is nothing the matter with being a “Hillbilly”. While they are good areas to try food and learn about the community, those areas are largely commercialized and not exactly the best place to experience the Amish lifestyle. In Amish schools, instruction is in English, along with some classes in High German. Maybe I have the NCVS and just didn’t realize it until now. This is something interesting & worthwhile to follow when I have time, but I am not looking to do anything else or taking it further. Learn languages, use them, enjoy them, and learn of them! Amish German (Pennsylvania Dutch, Pennsylvania German) is readily understandable by contemporary German speakers in Germany and Austria, especially those familiar with the central German dialects of the Palatinate, Hesse and the souther western dialect of Swabian. But, not all the forms were mutually intelligible. Maybe Anne’s parents neglected this? This would be the same for a German German speaker as it would for a Swiss German speaker. Pennsylvanisch Deitsch! P.G. The New Joys of Yiddish, by Leo Rosten and Lawrence Bush (New York, 2003[1968]). Pennsylvania Dutch language and culture, including court/legal interpretation Amish and Mennonite studies German-American studies Yiddish language and culture Achievements. I suggested something similar to another participant on Amish America. Another thing Anne has told me is that since she didn’t know how to read she relied on her elders to interpret the bible to her and when she realized it wasn’t written in “Pendee” she was upset and stated, “how can we live life through the word of God when we can’t read what he wrote?” Makes sense to me. 4/13/2021. The reason that they are called “Dutch” is that when the first Germans arrived here from Germany, they were asked what they were and they said “Deutsch”, but the Americans thought that they said “Dutch”, thus the Pennsylvania “Dutch” – absolutely nothing to do with the Netherland Dutch. Amish Neighbors "Sturgeon Missouri Then and Now, 1856-1981" In the fall of 1953 an Amish family moved onto a farm in the area just north of Sturgeon. Gisa, I thank you for your interest in posting to me. the Pennsylvania Dutch having nothing to do with the Netherland Dutch. A year and a half ago Mark was in Germany in the Baden – Wurtemburg area. (another relative thought it was Conrad) But it was given by him to my GGG John May (his mother was the Gilbert surname)So must figure out how to get those dates out of the other Bible!!! Amish tend to switch to English when non-Amish enter within earshot, out of respect and to involve the others. The Division of Medical Genetics at UPMC Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh is committed to the treatment and study of genetic disorders in children, providing advanced patient care of the highest quality and an active research program dedicated to providing a deeper understanding of the fundamental issues underlying these disorders and developing better therapeutic approaches. I cannot understand how the Amish can have a German bible written in Hoch Deutch which is actually proper German without a dialect and claim they speak “Dutch” (which they don’t!) “Schee” (Schoen) becomes “Schenner” in the superlative. Today the dialect is not so strong anymore due to TV, etc. “Dutch” also refered, of course, to the speakers of those languages. In case you didn’t see it, there were some other recent posts about Pennsylvania Dutch. Zu Hause haben wir nur englisch gesprochen. ), -http://www.mennolink.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi?bk.amv.01.txt&track=10(sample of “O God Father” in German, in a faster tune. So it’s definitely not german, HI all, I am wondering if I forgot to check the box of “being notified” for others when I made some recent posts. “Group Identity and Language Maintenance: The Survival of Pennsylvania German in Old Order Communities”, Karen Johnson-Weiner, Diachronic Studies on the Languages of the Anabaptists, 1992, “Community Identity and Language Change in North American Anabaptist Communities”, Karen Johnson-Weiner, Journal of Sociolinguistics 1998 2/3: 375-394, “Kannst Du Deitsch Schwetza?”, David  Luthy, Family Life, July 1975. In some Swiss dialects, “allpott” means “quite often”, such as “busses run quite often on this route, there is one every 10 minutes”. When new immigrants to America arrived here years ago, they were frequently asked, “where are you from” or “what are you?” If that person came from Germany he would respond, “Ich bin Deutsch”. I’m not sure whether everything quite got across, though… She may now think that the primary language of Australia is German. Ah but there are many things written in Pennsylvania Dutch/German. These changes are found in the various German dialects. The almost extinct Pennsylvania German of the non-sectarian speakers is close to identical to general Palatinate dialects, while the sectarian speakers of the Old Order Mennonites and Amish are more progressive in speech, showing more dialect leveling, English influence where the phonology is concerned and grammatical simplification. Based on what orginally appears to be a South German/Swiss dialect (‘alemannisch’ is one theory), it has over the centuries absorbed lexicological as well as syntactical traits from Standard English to produce what is commonly referred to as Pennsylvania Dutch. And the [a] sounds way too “[ɑ]-ish”, if that makes any sense to anyone at all. A fluent speaker of Pennsylvania Dutch, he has published extensively on this language and other German-American varieties, as well as Yiddish. A few of my personal friends were acting on Amish Mafia & even the “Dr Phil special” that really was poorly done and unfortunately portrayed the Amish in a bad manner to an audience of people who do not know the Amish. By the way, it should go without saying that by ‘German’ I don’t mean the type of ‘standard’ German spoken in contemporary Germany. What a find! I also noticed the following features: I imagine a Viennese dialect speaker would get quite far with Yiddish, not only because the Western Yiddish variety traditionally spoken in Vienna (alas, almost extinct after the Holocaust), was closer to Viennese and also gave a large chunk of colloquial vocabulary into the local dialect. Thank you, Bill, but no — I’m not interested in writing a book. I am simply frustrated with the lack of education on the matter. See how they greet each other, how they work and consume. So I wait one or another time to get over there and put up with the quiet, listening and hearing Amish people spoke. And me being me, I couldn’t help but wonder what an ‘Amish dialect’ of English might sound like. The preservation of Yiddish as a spoken language gets more attention, but Yiddish once had a vibrant written tradition as well, filled with plays, poetry, novels and political tracts. Don’t take what you see presented on TV as representative of the Amish, because it’s not. If you sit and listen to two Amish speaking, you may be surprised that what seems like every fifth or … Two years later, my family was transferred to Nurnberg. The older lady answered partly in good Spanish (which I only partly understood, and didn’t hear any Anglicisms), some in “Spanglish”, and then in absolutely elegant English–she didn’t miss a beat or an idiom in her English, and I wanted to applaud!! This is an excerpt from an oral history with Mark Louden. Some Amish children become quite proficient at English at a young age. In Pittsburgh we have a dialect–the difference being: no one writes Pittsburghese, but we speak it informally: gumbands, in’e road ‘n at etc. Both the Amish and the Jewish people lived on the edge of […] So they do speak a language but they should not call it german or Dutch because that’s simply not what it is. A Polish rabbi wanders through the Old West on his way to lead a synagogue in San Francisco. As I have German-from-Russia roots (as do many Mennonite sects) I consider the Amish “relatives.” Anyone who wants to blast the Amish are going to hear it from me, first. Your edition is to be found in several libraries in Germany: http://www.worldcat.org/title/biblia-das-ist-die-ganze-heilige-schrift-alten-und-neuen-testaments/oclc/50449707. Accents and manners of speaking Pennsylvania Dutch can vary between communities.if(typeof __ez_fad_position != 'undefined'){__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-amishamerica_com-box-3-0')}; Additionally, the so-called “Swiss Amish”, primarily found in Indiana, speak a Swiss dialect which differs from that spoken by the majority of Amish. c) You suggest that present-day PA/Dutch resembles dialects found in e.g. I have recently become acquainted with Amish farmers nearby and can converse a bit with them. Amis Language Facts: Amis is the language of the Amis or Ami, a tribe of indigenous people on Taiwan. ), -http://www.loblied.com/ (You can download the song file, or listen to the YouTube with pictures. The usage “Pennsylvania Dutch” is a holdover from that early usage, and it means exactly the same thing as “Pennsylvania German.” The language itself uses the word “Deitsch”, or, if it is necessary to be painfully explicit, “Pennsifaanisch Deitsch”; the usual word for the (Standard) German language in PA German is “Hochdeitsch”–which is itself arguably a tiny bit of a misnomer, but that’s a discussion for another time. As adjectives the difference between amish and jewish is that amish is relating to this sect while jewish is being a jew, or … This is the recording of the one-hour June 7, 2013 program:http://www.bctv.org/special_reports/community/pennsylvania-german/vmix_02e0b376-cfa8-11e2-967b-001a4bcf887a.html(Among other songs, the Dolpehock Sanger Chor sang, “Bring Sie Rei/Bring Them In”. Directed by Sidney Lumet. Also, he and a colleague of his wrote a course book on it, and there is another which I ordered with a CD by another author. * Fairly open TRAP by American standards.

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